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Active military personel on property? Why?
« on: September 05, 2009, 01:09:01 AM »
According to several sources there are at least two active duty military security personnel on the property whom are supervised by a ex navy seal (non/active) working with a attack K9.  The seal is likely working under contractor status now (speculation) however he has professed to others that he has "orders to shoot to kill".  Odd for a property managed by lowly NIDS scientists, and now supposedly in "inactive" status.

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 01:20:58 AM »
It does strike me as odd.  What would active duty personel be doing on private property?  Just being active duty does not make them anything special maybe just grunts on a security detail in a desolate area.  I did call a buddy of mine who is a retired Marine/SEAL.  He laughed at first when I told him about the post on here about the SEAL/contract security guy.  My buddy retired and went straight back to Iraq as a contracter/security gaurd for the US Govt.  So it's highly likely that the dude was a SEAL and is now working as a contract security officer, but why????  Don't you think that if the military was involved (I have my doubts) with this place that they would have a much stronger presence?  They never do anything low key.


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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 03:47:27 AM »
your correct, my understanding is security is contracted ex military, NOT current military.  Sorry i would like to dispel that rumor.  Probably good people doing a very unusual job.

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2009, 07:38:50 PM »
http://www.skinwalkerranch.org/media/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=2&pos=3

Was this photo taken in Utah in the vicinity of the Ranch?  Is this the actual security gaurd?
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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 03:17:20 AM »
yes this is the actual guard, and no the picture was NOT taken at the ranch it was taken in Las Vegas most likely near Bigelow Aerospace.  This is however one of the actual guards.... and no i dont care to post his face, this guy is grumpy enough!

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2009, 12:26:24 PM »
Pretty hardcore looking night-watchman just too watch over an old ranch and excessive to keep out random UFO nuts.
Just further proof that there is something up with that place.

Would it be a case of if your caught at the ranch a simple slap on the wrists perhaps a fine of some sort?
Over here in the UK there is a thing called the "Right To Roam" which would allow people to legally walk through farm land and things like that.

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 02:11:56 AM »
my understanding is that they would detain you on the spot, brief interrogation, before releasing you to the local tribal police (who are possibly WORSE/CORRUPT than the security force).  You could potentially be facing a Felony for Tresspassing a good ass beating or a face full of pepper spray.  Also the threat of being shot or having a tracking dog attack you wasnt high on any investigators priority list either.

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 05:48:42 PM »
my understanding is that they would detain you on the spot, brief interrogation, before releasing you to the local tribal police (who are possibly WORSE/CORRUPT than the security force).  You could potentially be facing a Felony for Tresspassing a good ass beating or a face full of pepper spray.  Also the threat of being shot or having a tracking dog attack you wasnt high on any investigators priority list either.

Skinwalker, I didn't know that this ranch fell on Ute Tribal Police jurisdiction? Makes me wonder though cause myself being Native American I was always told that you can't "own" any property on Reservation land it all belongs to the Tribe? I understand that the Utes themselves won't go there because of their beliefs. But if this Tribal Law is in effect for the Ute Nation then technically Bigelow doesn't own the land...the Utes do.

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 05:54:23 PM »
yes this is the actual guard, and no the picture was NOT taken at the ranch it was taken in Las Vegas most likely near Bigelow Aerospace.  This is however one of the actual guards.... and no i dont care to post his face, this guy is grumpy enough!

Judging by that picture he is USAF Staff Sergeant (E-5) Garcia, possibly a Security Patrol Squadron police K-9. He wears the uniform of an active duty Air Force member so I wonder what the military's role is in all this?

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 07:11:33 PM »
my understanding is that they would detain you on the spot, brief interrogation, before releasing you to the local tribal police (who are possibly WORSE/CORRUPT than the security force).  You could potentially be facing a Felony for Tresspassing a good ass beating or a face full of pepper spray.  Also the threat of being shot or having a tracking dog attack you wasnt high on any investigators priority list either.

Skinwalker, I didn't know that this ranch fell on Ute Tribal Police jurisdiction? Makes me wonder though cause myself being Native American I was always told that you can't "own" any property on Reservation land it all belongs to the Tribe? I understand that the Utes themselves won't go there because of their beliefs. But if this Tribal Law is in effect for the Ute Nation then technically Bigelow doesn't own the land...the Utes do.

that part never made any sense to me either, much of the land surrounding the ranch is owned by the Ute tribe (no specific owner) and other land is owned by several other nontribal people.  I'm not sure how the laws work out there but i do know the BIA is called before Roosevelt if a problem exists.  My understanding is almost 100% that the B.I.A. has a definate juristication on the land in Fort Deuschene.  However why nontribal members are living on what is surrounded by tribal land is a mystery to me.

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 02:03:55 AM »
Exactly because I was looking into moving at the Mescalero Res. and thats exactly what they told me as well. My only guess is maybe the Utes are leasing the land for extra income since I don't believe they own a casino.

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 02:34:50 AM »
they dont own a casino, but they do own several very prosperous oil wells!! 

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 04:59:42 AM »
I know that this may be a little bit of an outlandish yet specific question, but does anyone have any clue as to what subcontractor Bigelow may use for the defense (like the Cammo Dudes near Groom Lake are EG&G) forces like this guy?  Does Bigelow have his own personal defense department within the aerospace company?  Sorry if this seems like a noob question.  :)

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 01:33:55 PM »
Does Bigelow have his own personal defense department within the aerospace company?

yes

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Re: Active military personel on property? Why?
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 07:24:15 PM »
If you check the Bigelow Aerospace web site he is always recruiting former military security personel, considering that for the most part security jobs are left to retired guys or some of the lesser intellegent people to just stand there in a uniform, if Bigelow is looking for hardcore guys then it is an indication that what ever he is securing is of high importance.